LDP Discovers That "Pearl Harbor Never Happened"

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TOKYO: About 100 Japanese governing party lawmakers denounced the Attack on Pearl Harbor as a fabrication on Tuesday, contesting American claims that Japanese soldiers launched a surprise attack on the U.S. Pacific Fleet in 1941.

The members of Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s Liberal Democratic Party said there was no evidence to prove the aerial assault against the Hawaiian naval base, then known as “Pearl Harbor.” They accused Washington of using the alleged incident as a “political advertisement.”

Nariaki Nakayama, head of the group created to study World War II historical issues and education, said documents from the Japanese government’s archives indicated that about 240 people were killed — about one-tenth of the more commonly cited figure of 2400 — in the 1941 attack. The U.S. says that 2,400 people were killed and 1,178 wounded.

Historians generally agree that the Japanese Navy launched the preemptive strike to wipe out the American fleet in one fell swoop.

Nakayama said the study, which was initiated in part because this year is the 66th anniversary of the battle, determined there was no violation of international law.

Toru Toida, another member of the group, demanded that photographs portraying the Japanese military in a negative light be removed from U.S. war memorials.

“We are absolutely positive that there was no attack on Pearl Harbor,” Toida said.

Marxy wrote a lot of essays back on his old site Néomarxisme. This is one of them.

46 Responses

  1. marxy Says:

    In other news:

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/19/news/nanking.php

  2. claytonian Says:

    nice, I’m probing this.

  3. Ryan Cousineau Says:

    Waiiit: LDP insanity, or Canadian Hostess post? I can’t tell!

    No, really, I can’t.

    [checks link in first comment]

    Ohhh….

    For a moment I thought you were parodying 9/11 conspiracy theorists.

  4. Jamaipanese Says:

    interesting…

  5. Carl Says:

    Yes, the Japanese right is insane. But on the other side, at least the US government isn’t constantly rabble rousing by reminding us that without their *totally legitimate* rule, the Japanese would attack us again as is done in DPRK and to a lesser extent PRC.

  6. e r i k Says:

    Must be like how The Rape Of Nanking never happened either.

  7. DB Says:

    Well, if you’re from the US, our awesome congress is going to vote on June 26th whether to call Japan to formally acknowledge and claim responsibility for their sex slaves during the war – I totally wrote my congresspeople last week in support. Not that I have any illusions about what will happen if it does pass, but hey – there it is.

  8. nate Says:

    This is another move of radical reconciliation. Like the pope exonerating galileo, and clinton’s apologies for the syphilis experiments, these men have finally had the courage to stand up and set past wrongs right. (they say self-forgiveness is the hardest won)

    Now can these over 60′s finally get back to wearing their choi waru chrome hearts belts, and acting like minor data-entry errors suggest that the pension system should be privatized?

  9. marxy Says:

    Despite the more recent transgressions of China, I don’t really buy the “China exploits historical tragedy and therefore we are allowed to erase history” argument.

  10. nate Says:

    i always get into trouble when my irony is too circuitous. Put less ironically, I have no idea what purpose this serves other than provocation. No single individual will be exonerated, no legal matter solved.
    I think the old men of Japan are trying to destroy it, from inside and out.

  11. marxy Says:

    Dude, I totally got your sarcasm.

  12. Rory P. Wavekrest Says:

    Are you being sarcastic?

  13. marxy Says:

    Dude, I don’t even know anymore.

  14. 6810 Says:

    “Nariaki Nakayama, head of the group created to study World War II historical issues and education, said documents from the Japanese government’s archives indicated that about 240 people were killed – about one-tenth of the more commonly cited figure of 2400 – in the 1941 attack. The U.S. says that 2,400 people were killed and 1,178 wounded.”

    WTF?

    Did the Japanese stop to count the dead? What was the methodology employed by the attackers in accounting for the number of victims? Given that these were soldiers under a brutal regime how can we trust that their stats weren’t fudged up or down?

    Were Americans invited to participate in this research? What universities and public research institutes other than private govt sponsored ones were involved?

    I smell the stench of patriotism laws… And I am starting to tally up too many reasons why I maybe shouldn’t live here anymore.

    I was reading a book at the school library the other day on the path to war (in English and Japanese) and one of the quotes that stuck in my head was “There will be no love higher than country love (on the road to the war)”…

  15. 6810 Says:

    oh… I just got it… sigh…

    let’s change shall we say all my references from American to Chinese…

    sigh…

  16. Aceface Says:

    Sorry,I don’t get the irony here….
    Did Japan actually bombed pearl harbor?

  17. marxy Says:

    You should run for office, Aceface.

  18. Aceface Says:

    And What exactly should I do in the office,Marxy?
    Like apologizing to the former victims?
    Or putting facts in the textbooks?
    Paying compensations?
    Think we’ve done that already.

  19. marxy Says:

    You should do all that AND THEN say that none of it happened anyway.

  20. Aceface Says:

    Not that I stand with these boys from LDP but I don’t see them claiming “none of it happened”,Marxy.
    By the way,I am terribly sorry for my grandfathers bombed pearl harbor.

  21. marxy Says:

    “”We are absolutely positive that there was no massacre in Nanking,” Toida said.”

    That sounds pretty close to “none of it happened.”

    For the record, I am sorry that my uncles and cousins engaged in covert and overt activities against the popular governments of Iran, Chile, Vietnam, and countless other places around the globe.

  22. Richard Says:

    Better yet, do all that, then also make sure that the folks in Korea, China, and other places who suffered under Japanese brutality are reminded that the right-wing nuttos who got Japan on the warpath still exist in Japan by honoring war criminals every year. Becuase, going forward, it’s in Japan’s self-interest to keep that memory alive and burning.

    I know that there are Japanese who are terribly sorry that their grandfathers invaded China (and the rest of east Asia) and committed atrocities all over the place (not just in Nanking; heck, not just in China), but it seems rather hard to get anyone who’s in a position of power to deeply, sincerely express contrition.

    More disturbing to me is that folks who express the view that the Chinese, Malaysians, Singaporeans, etc. weren’t brutalized by Japan during WWII and were actually happy to be freed from the yoke of Western imperialists aren’t ostracized from polite society.

    Imagine if someone in the US said that African-Americans were quite happy to be slaves because they were delivered from a miserable existance in West Africa and were treated better than some white folks in the US or if someone in Europe tries to minimize the Holocaust. “6 million Jews died during WWII? Nonsense! Only 600,000 Jews were brutally worked-to-death/gassed/baked-in-an-oven. How can you call that a Holocaust?”

  23. Hebi-kai Says:

    Has anybody told Rosie O’Donnell yet? She needs this to add to her “Blame America first” pile.

  24. neogeisha Says:

    is it just me, or are the japanese the least socio-politically aware populace in the first world? whenever j-leaders make outrageous claims, do you notice a suspicious lack of public outrage? do you ever eavesdrop on young people speaking about these issues? compared to their western counterparts, they are pathetic.

  25. Italian #2 Says:

    “6 million Jews died during WWII?”

    that’s formally faulty to say. you should say “half of the jew’s world population died during WWII”. then you should look at 1919′s – if i remember correctly, though i must have the article somewhere over some folders. – NY Times and see how they claimed to have “6 millions of Jew died during WWI”. half of the jew population, or so they’ve written. history revisionism seems like an appealing and amusing matter. do they teach it in some cool cultured country’s universities?

  26. Richard Says:

    OK, maybe 6 million Jews didn’t die during WWII (not WWI). I actually don’t know. Let’s say it _was_ 600,000. Would any German politician still have a career if they said “Nazi documents show that only 600,000 Jews were exterminated; no holocaust occurred”?

  27. Italian #2 Says:

    don’t trick me up, i was just being lame. people doesn’t even want to get me a passport and a visa to go and play in Shanghai with Torturing Nurse, so please, don’t ask me stuff. i just know that Hitler was a sensitive man, and just because Anal Cunt said that. but now it’s time for some oldie Cibo Matto. oh, and a pair of Mishima readings. see you.

  28. Brown Says:

    Well, personally, I come from a long line of viruses, so I apologize for that whole smallpox thing. Seriously, I don’t know what they were thinking. But, hey, those were different times…

  29. M-Bone Says:

    Okay, so that crowd of Japanese politicians say that about 20,000 died at Nanking. I`m one of those historians who thinks that the number is something like 100,000-200,000. The number being thrown around by the Japanese politicians is about 1/2 that given in some of the better sources that we have for the period (like the Rabe diary). Do any of the outraged posters here actually know how we get from Rabe`s 40,000-ish estimate to 100,000-200,000? I`m betting that nobody here has a clue and if `Wikipedia` is your answer I wouldn`t be throwing around comments like `is it just me, or are the japanese the least socio-politically aware populace in the first world?`

  30. marxy Says:

    “Do any of the outraged posters here actually know how we get from Rabe`s 40,000-ish estimate to 100,000-200,000?”

    I don’t think our ignorance of the specifics lets intentional distortion from the powerful off the hook.

    “I`m one of those historians who thinks that the number is something like 100,000-200,000.”

    Does it not bother you then that non-historians with an axe to grind and a legacy to restore are cunningly tweaking these numbers as a political tool?

  31. Aceface Says:

    Neogeisha:
    Don’t you notice the public outrage when these things come up to the surface or you are just turning blindeye?We cry out in media of all forms and so does the opponents in the diet.I mean come on.why do you think politicians even resign for WW2 related comments,if not there are huge political pressures?

    “Do you ever eavesdrop on young people speaking about these issues? ”
    Since I’m not young man anymore and had not spending much time in the “west”for quite some time,I have no clue whether they are more “pathetic”than the “westrn counterparts”.(But then again when I was in the states back in the 80′s,we,as teenagers never talk about anything relating Holocaust.we were just drinking pepsi and talked about girls and cruising shopping malls.Or is it just me?…..)

    For the record,people either young and old do talk about these issues in this country,but only in Japanese.So if any of you ever want to join such conversation,I recommend you to improve your Japanese and subscribe Asahi Shimbun and watch NHK.

    “Does it not bother you then that non-historians with an axe to grind and a legacy to restore are cunningly tweaking these numbers as a political tool?”
    Non-historian like Iris Chang?Numbers are always political tools.Marxy.And to many foreigners(and the correspondents)the body counts are bigger the merrier.
    That’s why in Japanese textbooks(and many history books)quote the claim of the numbers from more than single source,either that the death tolls in Nanjing or numbers of the Comfort women being mobilized.

    This is going to be a one fun thread.

  32. M-Bone Says:

    `I don’t think our ignorance of the specifics lets intentional distortion from the powerful off the hook.`

    >> But how can you be pissed about distortion if you don`t know how serious the distortion is or what epistemology is behind it?

    `Does it not bother you then that non-historians with an axe to grind and a legacy to restore are cunningly tweaking these numbers as a political tool?`

    >> Yes, it pisses me off that Japanese politicians say 20,000 and that Chinese politicians say 350,000, but I`ve yet to see an online discussion that hits the root of the matter — why is 20,000 an `outrage` when Rabe and others say 30-40,000? Why is 20,000 for Nanking not like denying the Holocaust or Pearl Harbor (which was funny, BTW)?

    I am tired of 100,000-200,000 being tossed around like some sort of holy writ without real consideration of where the number comes from (and yes, I am a solid member of the 100,000-200,000 professional historian camp who always gets cited in these Reuters and AP articles). Incidentally, 100,000-200,000 makes you an evil denier in China.

    In any case, Aceface is correct – denying the Nanking massacre has seen politicians (cabinet members at that, Nagano) get the boot. These guys (clowns) doing it lately are doing it in a way that is more of an `piss off` than an outrage, there is a big difference between 20,000 and outright denial (in Japanese they are saying that it was not a `daigyakusatsu`).

    `For the record,people either young and old do talk about these issues in this country,but only in Japanese.So if any of you ever want to join such conversation,I recommend you to improve your Japanese and subscribe Asahi Shimbun and watch NHK.`

    Word. The 20,000 (ish) number is part of a very real historical debate that is nothing like blanket Holocaust denial. The mainstream in Japan, backed by over 85% of the population according to recent polls is that Japan fought a war of aggression and did shitty things in Asia (the remaining 15% includes a fair chunk of `don`t knows` and the 2% of the population that reads the Sankei). This is also necessary background to the debate.

    I also think that this is going to be an interesting thread. Can anyone tell me whey I`m right to put the deathtoll at 100,000-200,000 or how I and others have arrived at such a number? I think that the answer to this question will also indicate why these LDP stooges are more of an annoyance than an evil. Also, does anyone think that I`m wrong on those numbers?

  33. marxy Says:

    You know – I don’t know the exact chemical mechanics of how cigarettes cause lung cancer or heart disease, but I tend to trust experts when they say that cigarettes do these things. If the tobacco lobby comes out and says, tobacco only kills 40,000 a year instead of 400,000, I think we can be suspicious of that regardless of understanding the epistemology behind these numbers. Obviously we would be better served by understanding the full debate, but c’mon now.

  34. M-Bone Says:

    Yeah, but is history a science like the science that tells us that smoking causes cancer? Absolutly not. If it was, there would not be the range of death estimates for Nanking – 2,000, 20,000, 30-40,000, 100-200,000, 300-350,000 plus. I`ve seen 3,000,000 online as well. You can`t compare academic conclusions in the humanities and the hard sciences.

    I`ve seen a variety of death estimates for Iraqi civilians – 20,000 or so from the US government (a while ago) and well over 250,000 from some humanitarian groups. Are the US government the tabacco lobby in this case? I have no idea. If this was really bothering me, however, I`d want to see where the numbers come from.

  35. marxy Says:

    Hey – I don’t trust the official US estimate on Iraqi civilian deaths. Would you?

  36. M-Bone Says:

    No, would not trust the US estimate. Not sure that I would trust a NPO that uses its estimates to solicit donations either….

    So much for using the Socratic method, I guess I will throw it all out there. The recent LDP comments are dumb because they are directed at China, not the larger debate. The Chinese state contends that 300,000 plus were killed in a very small geographic area in a very small timeframe. The LDP (goons) miss the point by taking the same area and time and saying that there is no evidence for more than 20,000 (and there are no smoking gun sources that can `prove` them wrong). However, their view of historical truth is pretty silly – they take a legalistic view that dismisses the value of testimony. The historians who favor the 100,000-200,000 number (which includes soldiers killed in `legitimate` miltiary action, if you think that there is such a thing) are talking about a large area around Nanking (sometimes even as far as Shanghai) for a period of time greater than the Chinese government is talking about (so is it really a `Nanking massacre` that we are talking about at all, or more widespread violence?).

    The 100,000-200,000 number is arrived at through a combination of 3rd party documents and original testimony — and it requires a leap of faith so you really can`t point to any one or two things that count as final and decisive proof for any particular number. The LDP number is not an outrage in terms of what they CHOOSE to talk about (the usual denial number of a few hundred to a few thousand is an outrage). Their choice (to only answer China instead of the larger community of scholars, with the most well regarded Nanking researchers being Japanese) is a piss off, however, but it is easy to understand given the Chinese government`s rather aggressive push for a huge number that no non-partisan historians accept at this point.

    Both the LDP and Chinese sides are using straw men. In the context of the debate, however, you can`t really compare it with Pearl Harbor or the Holocaust — we just have much, much better source material for those (in the case of Pearl Harbor, you can`t dispute the numbers because there is a list of the name of every person that died in the raid). Nothing like it for Nanking (very poor body of surviving historical sources)so this stuff is probably going to continue forever and ever. In the end, if you use recent articles in the `biggies` – Journal of Japanese Studies and Monumenta Nipponica – as your guide, you would have to say that the `20,000` number is not crazy as a ballpark figure, but still pretty much misses the whole goddamn point of having a debate about the war in the first place.

    Come to think of it, on most things the LDP seem to be in the ballpark but still manage to miss the whole goddamn point….

  37. marxy Says:

    Thanks for posting that.

    Whatever the reasoning, it’s hard to see the LDP not essentially saying, it was actually only 1/5th of the normal estimate so the Japanese historical legacy in Asia is only 1/5th of how bad you think it was.

  38. Richard Says:

    Word.

    It’s the type of response by the LDP that, unfairly or not (I don’t like to cast a bad light on a group of people just because a minority of them are wackos . . . but _somebody_ elected these wackos to office) just perpetuates negative stereotypes about Japanese in China . . . and I’m not even talking about the perception that Japan has not come to grips yet with its history or properly atoned for what it did during WWII. My parents (who, like my Japanese wife, didn’t grow up in a PC environment and have absolutely no qualms about casting wide generalizations) believe that the Japanese are “xiao qi”. In this case, the best translation is “mean” (in the sense of “stingy; characterized by petty selfishness or malice”). This example, where the LDP members could have gained more by being generous and letting the 300,000 number go even if they thought the 20,000 number was right (because, after all, it still doesn’t change the fact that the Japanese were absolutely barbaric to their Asian neighbors during WWII) is a case in point. So is the example of the Japanese press noting that the Japanese government has provided China with development _loans_ (as if that somehow lessens the evils committed during WWII) but not as frequently noting that Chiang Kai-Shek forgave Japan the war reparations that were due China after WWII.

    BTW, Aceface, I don’t see a good reason for Westerners to be biased more towards higher figures than lower ones. For instance, I don’t see Western journalists inflating the death toll that occurred in Rwanda. . . .

    Finally, I’m not so enamored with the focus on Nanking myself. Nanking was just the site of the worst and heaviest (and most documented) atrocities, but the Japanese treated the Chinese brutally pretty much everywhere they were in power and for the duration of the occupation. Here’s an example of a German Jew who witnessed a Chinese rickashaw-puller being beaten to death by a Japanese solder after the Chinese person asked for payment: http://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/Fac/Adler/Reln270/Shanghai%20Jew%20returns.htm (The Chinese endured much worse. “I remember a coolie [a Chinese laborer] asking a Japanese soldier for payment after a ride on a rickshaw,” he says. “And I watched the soldier beat the coolie to death. They didn’t do that to us.”)

    Another thing that I find troubling isn’t just the overall level of brutality, but that the Japanese clearly differentiated along racial lines as well (at least in Shanghai). They treated the Chinese worse than the Westerners, even though British and Americans in Shanghai were also citizens of enemy nations. Maybe, as you say, Aceface, it wasn’t because of racism, but there was something there that allowed the Japanese to think that they could get away with more brutality against the Chinese, and naturally, what troubles those of us who are of Chinese-descent is the suspicion that that something still exists among the Japanese (would the LDP be denying that a massacre took place if it was of Westerners? Are Japanese more willing to apologize for what their ancestors did to Pearl Harbor than what their ancestors did to the rest of Asia?). I hate to wonder, but I do . . .

  39. Aceface Says:

    Richard:

    “So is the example of the Japanese press noting that the Japanese government has provided China with development _loans_ (as if that somehow lessens the evils committed during WWII) but not as frequently noting that Chiang Kai-Shek forgave Japan the war reparations that were due China after WWII.”

    That is not true.Chiang was loved by the right in Japan(kind of people who minimize the toll of Nanjing) but majority of the population were much in favor of Mao,thanks to the idealization by American liberals like Edgar Snow.Taiwan supporters are seen as sort of a reactionaries(and still is).So press didn’t particularly see Chiang was giving us a favor.(that was tranlated as people in China is trying to make reconciliation by standing in the higher moral ground,and this was also the line of PRC of which is a bygone episode now)
    Besides Generalissimo didn’t “forgave”Japan the war reparation.That was based on the agreement of the post war policy of the allies.Chiang had to go along with the other major powers,U.S,Britain,France and USSR.It was China ‘s choice not ours.Richard,you know that.
    The development loans(along with other various aids)which was crucial to China’s economic development was given based on post war bilateral relations that had evolved after nomalisation of the two countries which was based upon numbers of treaties.The treaties that had supposed to be already dealt with the aftermath of WW2.There is a relation between the war damage and Japanese loans,but only in a remote way.

    “BTW, Aceface, I don’t see a good reason for Westerners to be biased more towards higher figures than lower ones. For instance, I don’t see Western journalists inflating the death toll that occurred in Rwanda.”

    I don’t see Rwanda has anything to do with the topic at hand,so is the American slavery.Yes. They are atrocity of a kind,but we are talking about the perception gaps of the specific incident in different occasion.Not that I disagree with what Japan did was as equally bad as those atorocities,if that is what you are trying to put it.

    Anyway what I tried to say is the number that foreign(I did not say western)press tends to choose is the largest body counts in spite of little data to back it up and any argument challenging that would be accused as “white wash” or “undermine” of what had happened.I don’t know whether you have read the autobiography of Raul Hilberg or not.Hilberg(himself is a jewish),who was the first historian who had specialized on holocaust was accused by Jewish groups for once questioning the magic number of 6million.He also questioned Daniel Goldhagen’s provocative book on holocaust”Hitler’s willing executioner” (which is compared as the equivalent of Iris Chang’s “The Rape of Nanjing”).
    What Hilberg tried to say was there are group of people who tends to politicize the academic debate by flaming nationalistic sentiments while lacking facutal detail and leave no room for future debate.And that is bad for any historical arguments.
    Slightly off topic.But there is a funny coincidence regarding Hilberg the Japanese edition of Hilberg’s autobiography is published by the same publisher that tried to publish the translation of”The rape of Nanjing”.The publisher pointed out some of minor factual error(there are tons in that book)to Chang and asked if they can either change it with the recognition or put quote by the translator.Chang denied and if the translation would not be published as original as word to word,she would withdraw from the contract,which eventually she did.I could understand that if not she talked to some of the American journalist that the Japanese partner declined to print her book because the right wingers had threatend them and she used the fact “banned in Japan” to gain more credibility to her work.

    “Maybe, as you say, Aceface, it wasn’t because of racism”
    Are you sure that is what I had said? Anyway I never doubt the existence of Japanese racism both then and now.

    “but there was something there that allowed the Japanese to think that they could get away with more brutality against the Chinese, and naturally”
    Well,as far as I know from my own history lesson,there were more human abuse in China than other places(and nobody is challenging on this)But frankly speaking seeing the record it seemed Japanese did treat everyone living in the region equally brutal.

    “Are Japanese more willing to apologize for what their ancestors did to Pearl Harbor than what their ancestors did to the rest of Asia”
    Absolutely not.As I understand there are no Japanese politicians who had ever apologized to Americans about Pearl Harbor.While there are countless such occasion to “Asians”

    “what troubles those of us who are of Chinese-descent is the suspicion that that something still exists among the Japanese”
    I will not persuade you to the belief that Japanese are peace loving people.All I can say is I have a belief that it is the political system that make people dangerous,not something people have with in themselves.
    Post-war Japan may not be the ideal liberal democracy,but it is certainly more “pacifist”than what it was.And I don’t see that changing in the foreseeable future.

    You said you are married to a Japanese wife?
    I’m also commited to an international marriage.I’m married to a Mongolian national and had adopted her son.My wife’s grand father had died in the war of Khal Khin Gol,battle of Nomonhan to Japanese.He was killed by (presumably)Japanese Kwangtung Army.Though I lament his death and I’m thinking about taking my son to
    the old battlefield when he gets older.

    Enough said.Back to you.

  40. M-Bone Says:

    Just saw something that relates to this discussion and one that we were having last week.

    Was browsing at my local bookstore here in Japan`s inaka when I saw a display of the store`s top sellers – there was, of course, a horoscope book, a facial treatment book and coming in at number seven…. this sucker 満州事変から日中戦争へ. This is a far left history for popular audiences from publisher Iwanami (a publisher that is devoted to brining academic writing to the masses). It retails for 819 yen (about $7.50 US last time I checked). This type of book is critical of Japanese militarism / massacres, etc. and it SELLS. It is 199 on Amazon.co.jp (a list that includes manga and `mooks` and photo books and video game guides, etc.). It is the top selling history book in Japan right now.

    Two points -
    1. People in Japan do read solid, critical non-fiction.
    2. Many of the titles that reach wide audiences are the type that are the MOST HONEST about Japan`s wartime past and we need to take this into account when talking about Japanese historical memory.

    BTW, I`ve seen on another forum that a recent Nationalist Chinese document has been found that puts the Nanking death toll at 20,000. I have not seen it myself so I can`t really comment.

    However, to repeat my point above – the LDP guys may be a$$holes to give a low-ish figure but for the city of Nanking, in December – early January 1937-1938 – 20,000 is by no means outlandish by the standards used by `international` scholars. The 100,000 – 200,000 figure favored by historians is for both soldiers killed in combat, POWs executed and civilians killed(we don`t have the evidence to talk about ratios) for a period of several months and a large geographical area. While I think that the LDPers should give more credit to testimony (not just written sources) I do not think, as Richard seems to suggest, that anyone, just to placate critics, should accept the 300,000 figure (which incidentally, is meant to be just for civilians in the Nanking city area in the space of a few weeks) which is considered to be outlandish by professional historians in the English-speaking world as evidenced by a number of articles and reviews that have appeared in the pages of the big English-language Japan / Asia journals and gone unchallenged by serious critics (and once again, this is coming from a committed 100,000-200,000 believer).

  41. Aceface Says:

    Yeah,I’ve also bought a copy of Kato Yoko’s 満州事変から日中戦争へ too,M-Bone.Actually I’ve been reading the whole
    series.Asahi had also published two volume of歴史と向き合う”Facing History”series.過去の克服と愛国心”overcoming the past and patriotism”and戦争責任と追悼”war responsibility and mourning”which were interesting reading and recommended.

  42. M-Bone Says:

    Ha, ha. While I did note how well the book is selling, I didn`t actually contribute and buy one… broke at the moment. I have the Russo-Japanese War volume. Excellent series. See, Shinsho get the job done!

    In terms of recent war works, there is the Yomiuri one as well. Tessa Morris-Suzuki, a pretty famous Japan scholar based in Australia, has recently reviewed it over on Japan Focus and highlights the fact that, despite the Yomiuri`s `conservative` orientation, the work mirrors left thought in important ways.

  43. michael Says:

    like, the U.S. totally murdered tons of innocent japanese during the war. and they don’t even try to deny it.

    is it worse to slaughter people and then try to deny it, or to slaughter people and then rationalize it away. dude, i don’t know…both are totally fucked up.

  44. Aceface Says:

    M-Bone:

    Meanwhile at my desk there sits recently purchased Tessa Morris-Suzuki’s book on Zainichi Korean’s return to DPRK started in the 60′s called北朝鮮へのエキソダス.I’ve only read two pages and I already don’t like it.

  45. M-Bone Says:

    北朝鮮へのエキソダス – Keep us posted on how it is.

  46. Kim Jong-il Hater Says:

    Is it just me, or is the LDP trying to get Abe booted out of office? His party members and cabinet have said some stupid stuff during his tenure. It’s just so stupid, that it seems they’re saying stuff like this on purpose.

    Last time I checked, we paid reperations to the Japanese we put in internment camps, and the Germans have been giving billions of dollars to Israel. Japan won’t even pay for the clean up of a stockpile of biological weapons they left in Manchuria.