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		<title>By: blackpassenger</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2007/11/26/sumie-kawakami-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-1367</link>
		<dc:creator>blackpassenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow i should have found her book when i was writing mine, BLACK PASSENGER, YELLOW CABS, an erotic ethnographic memoir based on my experiences and observations, living here in japan for the last seven years. but she has validated all my observations and conclusions about this country . BLACK PASSENGER should be published in about 3 months and my first interview can be read at the site below.
http://str8nyc.com/2008/03/13/spotlight-black-passenger-yellow-cabs/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow i should have found her book when i was writing mine, BLACK PASSENGER, YELLOW CABS, an erotic ethnographic memoir based on my experiences and observations, living here in japan for the last seven years. but she has validated all my observations and conclusions about this country . BLACK PASSENGER should be published in about 3 months and my first interview can be read at the site below.<br />
<a href="http://str8nyc.com/2008/03/13/spotlight-black-passenger-yellow-cabs/" rel="nofollow">http://str8nyc.com/2008/03/13/spotlight-black-passenger-yellow-cabs/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2007/11/26/sumie-kawakami-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-586</link>
		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I too have a &quot;patchwork family&quot;even though I now reside in Saitama,Mario.
Infact both of my parents families were&quot;patchwork&quot; families. Ofcourse those were not the prodcut of liberal family values but the outcome of losing the war. There were lots of widows and widowers back in the 40&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I too have a &#8220;patchwork family&#8221;even though I now reside in Saitama,Mario.<br />
Infact both of my parents families were&#8221;patchwork&#8221; families. Ofcourse those were not the prodcut of liberal family values but the outcome of losing the war. There were lots of widows and widowers back in the 40&#8242;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2007/11/26/sumie-kawakami-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-585</link>
		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>”The culture, on which Japan is proud of and officially “exports”, is based on this “entertainment” which is full of decadence (like sex between samurai and boy, “mizu-age” with 10 years old girls) and pseudo romantic love.”

Now waait a minuite.There are some exaggeration here.I see some influence of &quot;SHOGUN&quot;and&quot;Memoire of a Geisha&quot;all over in this post.
I don&#039;t see any indication between NINTENDO and sex between Samurai and boy,or is it just me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>”The culture, on which Japan is proud of and officially “exports”, is based on this “entertainment” which is full of decadence (like sex between samurai and boy, “mizu-age” with 10 years old girls) and pseudo romantic love.”</p>
<p>Now waait a minuite.There are some exaggeration here.I see some influence of &#8220;SHOGUN&#8221;and&#8221;Memoire of a Geisha&#8221;all over in this post.<br />
I don&#8217;t see any indication between NINTENDO and sex between Samurai and boy,or is it just me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mario A. (Ambrosius)</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2007/11/26/sumie-kawakami-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-584</link>
		<dc:creator>Mario A. (Ambrosius)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Societies change, people&#039;s values change. 
Let&#039;s take the year 2000: In the case of a country like Germany the term &quot;patchwork family&quot; is already a common status quo which can&#039;t be understood by even young urban, so called, progressive Tokyoties. What comes in 2020?

Indeed, as  David pointed out, and I would agree, the &quot;mizu-shobai&quot; is too much integrated in the daily life of Japanese urban couples/families. I would call it a structural problem which can&#039;t be erased as Japan has a long history of entertainment, high and low. The culture, on which Japan is proud of and officially &quot;exports&quot;, is based on this &quot;entertainment&quot; which is full of decadence (like sex between samurai and boy, &quot;mizu-age&quot; with 10 years old girls)  and pseudo romantic love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Societies change, people&#8217;s values change.<br />
Let&#8217;s take the year 2000: In the case of a country like Germany the term &#8220;patchwork family&#8221; is already a common status quo which can&#8217;t be understood by even young urban, so called, progressive Tokyoties. What comes in 2020?</p>
<p>Indeed, as  David pointed out, and I would agree, the &#8220;mizu-shobai&#8221; is too much integrated in the daily life of Japanese urban couples/families. I would call it a structural problem which can&#8217;t be erased as Japan has a long history of entertainment, high and low. The culture, on which Japan is proud of and officially &#8220;exports&#8221;, is based on this &#8220;entertainment&#8221; which is full of decadence (like sex between samurai and boy, &#8220;mizu-age&#8221; with 10 years old girls)  and pseudo romantic love.</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2007/11/26/sumie-kawakami-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-583</link>
		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A woman in Britain who starts a relationship with a married man may well hope that the man will divorce his wife and then marry her. That doesn’t seem to be the general expectation of a Japanese woman whether she works in mizu shobai or not. The two adulterous lovers in the wildly popular “Shitsurakuen” didn’t see divorce and remarriage as a solution to their situation.&quot;

Now I see problem here,Mulboyne.
Remember &quot;Shitsurakuen&quot; was written by the guru of 50 something salarymen in grey suits,Watanabe Jyunichi,who managed the entire novel written dominantly from male perspective. If only you are more keen viewer of 2o&#039;clock soap operas you would find plenty of dramas of female narratives that give you some different ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A woman in Britain who starts a relationship with a married man may well hope that the man will divorce his wife and then marry her. That doesn’t seem to be the general expectation of a Japanese woman whether she works in mizu shobai or not. The two adulterous lovers in the wildly popular “Shitsurakuen” didn’t see divorce and remarriage as a solution to their situation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now I see problem here,Mulboyne.<br />
Remember &#8220;Shitsurakuen&#8221; was written by the guru of 50 something salarymen in grey suits,Watanabe Jyunichi,who managed the entire novel written dominantly from male perspective. If only you are more keen viewer of 2o&#8217;clock soap operas you would find plenty of dramas of female narratives that give you some different ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulboyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mulboyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That seems to be the main point. Looking around at other countries, on the &quot;demand&quot; side of the equation - men having sex outside marriage - Japan doesn&#039;t appear to be an outlier compared with other countries in the world. The &quot;supply&quot; side is different to western nations but you can find similar institutions in Asian countries such as Korea and China. You highlight the fact that this infrastructure is &quot;overground&quot;: I wonder whether you think that makes it more reprehensible than if it was underground.

A woman in Britain who starts a relationship with a married man may well hope that the man will divorce his wife and then marry her. That doesn&#039;t seem to be the general expectation of a Japanese woman whether she works in mizu shobai or not. The two adulterous lovers in the wildly popular &quot;Shitsurakuen&quot; didn&#039;t see divorce and remarriage as a solution to their situation.

A divorced man in Japan often loses contact with children from his marriage. Partly this may be because there are no real laws to enforce visitation. It might be that a Japanese father doesn&#039;t much want to maintain contact but I&#039;ve also heard from Western friends who have remarried with a Japanese girl that their new wife often seems bemused that they would want to maintain a relationship with the children from a first marriage and sometimes actively resents it.

There&#039;s a high risk of drawing false sweeping conclusions from such a small body of anecdotal evidence but I wonder whether a Japanese marriage places less emphasis on sex being exclusive and more on the family being exclusive compared with a western marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That seems to be the main point. Looking around at other countries, on the &#8220;demand&#8221; side of the equation &#8211; men having sex outside marriage &#8211; Japan doesn&#8217;t appear to be an outlier compared with other countries in the world. The &#8220;supply&#8221; side is different to western nations but you can find similar institutions in Asian countries such as Korea and China. You highlight the fact that this infrastructure is &#8220;overground&#8221;: I wonder whether you think that makes it more reprehensible than if it was underground.</p>
<p>A woman in Britain who starts a relationship with a married man may well hope that the man will divorce his wife and then marry her. That doesn&#8217;t seem to be the general expectation of a Japanese woman whether she works in mizu shobai or not. The two adulterous lovers in the wildly popular &#8220;Shitsurakuen&#8221; didn&#8217;t see divorce and remarriage as a solution to their situation.</p>
<p>A divorced man in Japan often loses contact with children from his marriage. Partly this may be because there are no real laws to enforce visitation. It might be that a Japanese father doesn&#8217;t much want to maintain contact but I&#8217;ve also heard from Western friends who have remarried with a Japanese girl that their new wife often seems bemused that they would want to maintain a relationship with the children from a first marriage and sometimes actively resents it.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a high risk of drawing false sweeping conclusions from such a small body of anecdotal evidence but I wonder whether a Japanese marriage places less emphasis on sex being exclusive and more on the family being exclusive compared with a western marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: W. David MARX</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2007/11/26/sumie-kawakami-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-581</link>
		<dc:creator>W. David MARX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think my conclusions follow exclusively from the information in her answers. One of the most important &quot;facts&quot; for Japanese difference in these areas (which Kawakami starts her book with) is that Japan has the lowest frequency of intra-couple sex and yet the largest infrastructure for sex-related business services. The mizu shobai/pink salon/showtime kyabakura/soapland/no-pants shabu shabu world in Japan is massive and overground. Men do not just go their for personal pleasure; it has been integrated into the business and political culture. 

Ironically, employment equality threatens that culture. More female managers means less blatant conducting of business in these quarters, which speaks to the idea that this system could only be created because of the overwhelming balance of economic and social power men maintain. British and French men can have affairs, but is there a multi-billion dollar industry based around the idea of women as rentable sexual property? Sure, Christian morality may get in the way, but when you systematically force women out of the possibilities of equal career opportunity, you can easily put them to work in your preferred nightlife style. 

Same with mistresses, if marriage is required because of economic pressures, those whose choices are limited to low-earners or otherwise less desirable candidates, it may best to hitch to a successful man.

There is plenty of evidence that the culture of sex in Japan depends upon political and economic opportunity for women. We don&#039;t just need this interview to come to those conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think my conclusions follow exclusively from the information in her answers. One of the most important &#8220;facts&#8221; for Japanese difference in these areas (which Kawakami starts her book with) is that Japan has the lowest frequency of intra-couple sex and yet the largest infrastructure for sex-related business services. The mizu shobai/pink salon/showtime kyabakura/soapland/no-pants shabu shabu world in Japan is massive and overground. Men do not just go their for personal pleasure; it has been integrated into the business and political culture. </p>
<p>Ironically, employment equality threatens that culture. More female managers means less blatant conducting of business in these quarters, which speaks to the idea that this system could only be created because of the overwhelming balance of economic and social power men maintain. British and French men can have affairs, but is there a multi-billion dollar industry based around the idea of women as rentable sexual property? Sure, Christian morality may get in the way, but when you systematically force women out of the possibilities of equal career opportunity, you can easily put them to work in your preferred nightlife style. </p>
<p>Same with mistresses, if marriage is required because of economic pressures, those whose choices are limited to low-earners or otherwise less desirable candidates, it may best to hitch to a successful man.</p>
<p>There is plenty of evidence that the culture of sex in Japan depends upon political and economic opportunity for women. We don&#8217;t just need this interview to come to those conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulboyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mulboyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The interview was interesting but I agree with others, though, that the conclusions you are seeking to draw from her answers don&#039;t necessarily follow. You want to explain a situation which is not unique to Japan by pointing to factors which are. It might be more interesting to consider some of the differences. It takes two to tango so rather than just look at incentives for women to get married, it might also be interesting to look at what incentives there are for a woman to become a mistress or girlfriend of a married man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The interview was interesting but I agree with others, though, that the conclusions you are seeking to draw from her answers don&#8217;t necessarily follow. You want to explain a situation which is not unique to Japan by pointing to factors which are. It might be more interesting to consider some of the differences. It takes two to tango so rather than just look at incentives for women to get married, it might also be interesting to look at what incentives there are for a woman to become a mistress or girlfriend of a married man.</p>
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		<title>By: W. David MARX</title>
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		<dc:creator>W. David MARX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 09:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s good about an interview is that even if the questions are biased, the interviewee can answer for his/herself. I am not going to apologize for my own political sympathies or worldview coming out in my questions, especially since the answers are what are on parade here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s good about an interview is that even if the questions are biased, the interviewee can answer for his/herself. I am not going to apologize for my own political sympathies or worldview coming out in my questions, especially since the answers are what are on parade here.</p>
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		<title>By: alin</title>
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		<dc:creator>alin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 04:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; and clearly women come out the losers.
 
etc

we&#039;re in the old problem territory on neomarxisme here as someone already hinted:  there&#039;s far too much projection here of commentators own cultural backgrounds and ideas of marriage (with marxy at the top) and it&#039;s basically that that ends up being discussed. the fact that the japanese idea of marriage itself from meiji on has, formally and superficially speaking, a lot to do with rigid, dated western concepts only makes things more messy - particularly if they end up seen as &#039;confucian&#039; or whatever. 

the author does a good job in trying to keep a healthier view in the interview,  but then by targeting such a book to anglo pseudo-japanologists she evidently took the responsability and risk of misunderstanding in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; and clearly women come out the losers.</p>
<p>etc</p>
<p>we&#8217;re in the old problem territory on neomarxisme here as someone already hinted:  there&#8217;s far too much projection here of commentators own cultural backgrounds and ideas of marriage (with marxy at the top) and it&#8217;s basically that that ends up being discussed. the fact that the japanese idea of marriage itself from meiji on has, formally and superficially speaking, a lot to do with rigid, dated western concepts only makes things more messy &#8211; particularly if they end up seen as &#8216;confucian&#8217; or whatever. </p>
<p>the author does a good job in trying to keep a healthier view in the interview,  but then by targeting such a book to anglo pseudo-japanologists she evidently took the responsability and risk of misunderstanding in the first place.</p>
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