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		<title>By: noodles</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2008/03/26/style-deficit-disorder/comment-page-1/#comment-16015</link>
		<dc:creator>noodles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You could say that about nearly any modern artform. I think you misunderstanding creativity: it’s all about variations on a theme my friend.&quot;

You define creativity as &quot;variations&quot;!? I&#039;m far from lost my friend.

I do not doubt at all that Harajuku had an incredibly diverse underground culture which led to huge full blown trends like Gothic Lolitas and Punks. But please do not define that as &quot;creativity.&quot;  Those are trends not creativity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You could say that about nearly any modern artform. I think you misunderstanding creativity: it’s all about variations on a theme my friend.&#8221;</p>
<p>You define creativity as &#8220;variations&#8221;!? I&#8217;m far from lost my friend.</p>
<p>I do not doubt at all that Harajuku had an incredibly diverse underground culture which led to huge full blown trends like Gothic Lolitas and Punks. But please do not define that as &#8220;creativity.&#8221;  Those are trends not creativity.</p>
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		<title>By: tex</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2008/03/26/style-deficit-disorder/comment-page-1/#comment-1541</link>
		<dc:creator>tex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reading the book now and it&#039;s quite exhaustively researched. i see now that I was wrong about the place in my overly visual kei influenced criticism--Harajuku is indeed a great well-spring of fashion creativity.

regarding noodles comment:
&gt;&gt;Nothing original has ever come out of harajuku, they have just reinvented or reinterpreted the past with Japanese precision.

You could say that about nearly any modern artform. I think you misunderstanding creativity: it&#039;s all about variations on a theme my friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reading the book now and it&#8217;s quite exhaustively researched. i see now that I was wrong about the place in my overly visual kei influenced criticism&#8211;Harajuku is indeed a great well-spring of fashion creativity.</p>
<p>regarding noodles comment:<br />
&gt;&gt;Nothing original has ever come out of harajuku, they have just reinvented or reinterpreted the past with Japanese precision.</p>
<p>You could say that about nearly any modern artform. I think you misunderstanding creativity: it&#8217;s all about variations on a theme my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: noodles</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2008/03/26/style-deficit-disorder/comment-page-1/#comment-1455</link>
		<dc:creator>noodles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 08:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Londsdale has closed, Baby Milo has closed, Recon has closed, Secret Base has changed locaton twice by I believe lack of profit and over inflated rents.

That is Harajuku today, We can all ooh and aah about the fabled harajuku past but those days have long gone. The independents that once graced the scene have gone.

Nothing original has ever come out of harajuku, they have just reinvented or reinterpreted the past with Japanese precision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Londsdale has closed, Baby Milo has closed, Recon has closed, Secret Base has changed locaton twice by I believe lack of profit and over inflated rents.</p>
<p>That is Harajuku today, We can all ooh and aah about the fabled harajuku past but those days have long gone. The independents that once graced the scene have gone.</p>
<p>Nothing original has ever come out of harajuku, they have just reinvented or reinterpreted the past with Japanese precision.</p>
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		<title>By: W. David MARX</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2008/03/26/style-deficit-disorder/comment-page-1/#comment-1396</link>
		<dc:creator>W. David MARX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s as if you’re saying “let me have the final word on capitalism as it relates to Harajuku–let’s not have another word on this moving forward”&lt;/i&gt;

Okay, point taken. 

I am also the author of the essay and chose those exact words to express what I wanted to say, despite those words not being the perfect phrasing for some readers.

&lt;i&gt;Personally, I don’t see Harajuku as any well-spring of fashion creativity at all.&lt;/i&gt;

There is creativity from kids, stylists, brands, editors, and companies - but it is not just solely kids who are making it all work. Harajuku has been a &lt;i&gt;locus&lt;/i&gt; of creativity for Japanese fashion, but it&#039;s a complex ecosystem involving all parties.

A lot of the looks do get overly-codified like Punk and Goth, but some do not. I am not trying to make the same case as you that these subcultures are not &quot;real&quot; enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It’s as if you’re saying “let me have the final word on capitalism as it relates to Harajuku–let’s not have another word on this moving forward”</i></p>
<p>Okay, point taken. </p>
<p>I am also the author of the essay and chose those exact words to express what I wanted to say, despite those words not being the perfect phrasing for some readers.</p>
<p><i>Personally, I don’t see Harajuku as any well-spring of fashion creativity at all.</i></p>
<p>There is creativity from kids, stylists, brands, editors, and companies &#8211; but it is not just solely kids who are making it all work. Harajuku has been a <i>locus</i> of creativity for Japanese fashion, but it&#8217;s a complex ecosystem involving all parties.</p>
<p>A lot of the looks do get overly-codified like Punk and Goth, but some do not. I am not trying to make the same case as you that these subcultures are not &#8220;real&#8221; enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Tex</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2008/03/26/style-deficit-disorder/comment-page-1/#comment-1395</link>
		<dc:creator>Tex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I wonder whether we can learn to talk about and appreciate its street fashion without projecting our own politically-rooted aspirations of democratic capitalism upon this very complex and very Japanese neighborhood.

hum...then maybe start by use words like &quot;commerce&quot; and &quot;advertising&quot; instead of the more politically charged &quot;capitalist transaction&quot; and &quot;artifical need creation&quot; 

&gt;Harajuku, of course, is not the only youth culture mecca owning its power to capitalist transaction and artificial need-creation...

You seems to be using the language of political and economic studies in comdemning that very line of argument as it applies to Harajuku. To me the idea of &quot;artifical need creation&quot; is laden with socio-economic notions of wastefulness, conspicuous consumption, materialism, and perhaps even class and exploitation. 

It&#039;s as if you&#039;re saying &quot;let me have the final word on capitalism as it relates to Harajuku--let&#039;s not have another word on this moving forward&quot;

Personally, I don&#039;t see Harajuku as any well-spring of fashion creativity at all. One could argument it&#039;s perhaps populated with some of the most unoriginal youth fashion around: the dominant looks are based around dressing up like some Visual Kei band members who established the look at least a decade ago right? A look that, like punk rock, once evoked notions of rebellion and confrontation which is now purchased on the open marketplace like so much lifestyle advertising. 

Punk and Goth ceases to be a valid form of social statement when you&#039;re getting your painstakenly stylized jeans dry cleaned in Saitama, and as an act of individual expression it&#039;s pretty powerless considering they are more or less faithful rips of visual kei band members, which are themselves derivations of prior bands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;I wonder whether we can learn to talk about and appreciate its street fashion without projecting our own politically-rooted aspirations of democratic capitalism upon this very complex and very Japanese neighborhood.</p>
<p>hum&#8230;then maybe start by use words like &#8220;commerce&#8221; and &#8220;advertising&#8221; instead of the more politically charged &#8220;capitalist transaction&#8221; and &#8220;artifical need creation&#8221; </p>
<p>&gt;Harajuku, of course, is not the only youth culture mecca owning its power to capitalist transaction and artificial need-creation&#8230;</p>
<p>You seems to be using the language of political and economic studies in comdemning that very line of argument as it applies to Harajuku. To me the idea of &#8220;artifical need creation&#8221; is laden with socio-economic notions of wastefulness, conspicuous consumption, materialism, and perhaps even class and exploitation. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s as if you&#8217;re saying &#8220;let me have the final word on capitalism as it relates to Harajuku&#8211;let&#8217;s not have another word on this moving forward&#8221;</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t see Harajuku as any well-spring of fashion creativity at all. One could argument it&#8217;s perhaps populated with some of the most unoriginal youth fashion around: the dominant looks are based around dressing up like some Visual Kei band members who established the look at least a decade ago right? A look that, like punk rock, once evoked notions of rebellion and confrontation which is now purchased on the open marketplace like so much lifestyle advertising. </p>
<p>Punk and Goth ceases to be a valid form of social statement when you&#8217;re getting your painstakenly stylized jeans dry cleaned in Saitama, and as an act of individual expression it&#8217;s pretty powerless considering they are more or less faithful rips of visual kei band members, which are themselves derivations of prior bands.</p>
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		<title>By: curiousG</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2008/03/26/style-deficit-disorder/comment-page-1/#comment-1371</link>
		<dc:creator>curiousG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;d write a good one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;d write a good one!</p>
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		<title>By: W. David MARX</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2008/03/26/style-deficit-disorder/comment-page-1/#comment-1370</link>
		<dc:creator>W. David MARX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike some other writers I know, publishers aren&#039;t really throwing me Japan-related book projects or inviting me to pitch. I am about to hunker down and work on a proposal, so we&#039;ll see how that goes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike some other writers I know, publishers aren&#8217;t really throwing me Japan-related book projects or inviting me to pitch. I am about to hunker down and work on a proposal, so we&#8217;ll see how that goes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: curiousG</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2008/03/26/style-deficit-disorder/comment-page-1/#comment-1362</link>
		<dc:creator>curiousG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and W. David Marx is not writing his own books because . . .??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and W. David Marx is not writing his own books because . . .??</p>
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		<title>By: names change</title>
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		<dc:creator>names change</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah I&#039;m sorry it does seem I misread you, you clarified it for me.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah I&#8217;m sorry it does seem I misread you, you clarified it for me.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: W. David MARX</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2008/03/26/style-deficit-disorder/comment-page-1/#comment-1359</link>
		<dc:creator>W. David MARX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your instinct is right: It&#039;s mostly the introduction. When the authors had to justify their work, they did go to the Harajuku Myth as the basic framework. But since the rest of the book does not depend upon that so much, I recommend it as a valuable introduction to Harajuku&#039;s past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your instinct is right: It&#8217;s mostly the introduction. When the authors had to justify their work, they did go to the Harajuku Myth as the basic framework. But since the rest of the book does not depend upon that so much, I recommend it as a valuable introduction to Harajuku&#8217;s past.</p>
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