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		<title>By: SortofNeutral</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2008/08/14/tohoshinki-rages-against-the-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-22294</link>
		<dc:creator>SortofNeutral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tohoshinki are a group of idols from the korean equivalent of JE, SM Ent. you should check out the dirty laundry of SM Ent too. Lee Soo Man isnt an angel send  to this earth to save us from johnnys demons. in my opinion japan has it better. JE is an enormous company so even after Johnny Kitagawa&#039;s death, someone else will hand pick the talents. Who knows it might even get better, no more crazily named groups like heysayjump. they remind me of an orphanage.

if you compare and contrast, you would understand. for one thing in south korea the whole competition between pretty little boys and girls has resulted in breeding the craziest delusional fan girls and boys in the world! almost all the variety, music and award shows are dominated by these idol groups, second tier artists can barely survive in the industry and only really stand out acts from other genres can compete.

the korean music industry is depreciating due to severe problems with piracy and other reasons and thats why Lee Soo Man is promoting overseas like crazy, SujuM in China..Boa, THSK and The Grace in Japan and trying to hit the american market with Boa as well. 

Tohoshinki is sold in the foreign artist section cos thats what they are, they didnt debut in Japan, they are marketed as the acapella group from korea. They were trying to be like the Gospellers not johnnys but now i think SM is trying to cash in on the new found idol fame.

Groups like Exile from Avex makes millions more album sales than JE Groups and thats unthinkable in korea, SM makes the most album sales eventhough they mostly produce teen idols and manufactured pop, they dont leave room for any serious competition against their top talents, bribing top tv  stations and buying awards are a common fact.

The Ohno scandal resulted in more sales for Arashi thats cos JE fans have learned to accept their weaknesses if it happened in Korea he would probably have been murdered by his own fans. Kimura Takuya is in his late 30&#039;s, married with kids yet he still has hordes of fangirls. thats unthinkable in korea for an all around entertainer. its all about being young, single, pretty or plastic. they say talent come first but what if THSK looked like SMAP instead of their delicate pretty looks..no one would give a shit.

Eventhough THSK got number ones thats cos Avex carefully chose a date to release with no real competition but thats goin to change soon since JE shows are inviting THSK and they are goin against Kat-tun&#039;s Rescue in march.

if anyone should compete with JE, it should be japanese male pop group acts. and it is a fact that the reason why JE artists and Pony Canyon artists didnt appear together on the same shows was due to the chairman making a statement that he didnt want his acts to be on the same stage as JE groups and a fued ensued.

Pony Canyon acts still achieved immense success without music station and THSK did perform in music station once with koda kumi in 2007, the year they started their number 1 streak. they have also been invited to music fair, music japan, music fighter, utaban, hey3. and now smap&#039;s show and kinki kid&#039;s domoto brothers. Some Johnny&#039;s have not been invited to some of these shows but THSK was.

i dont think that JE is threatened by korean idol groups, they rule cos they produce all rounders in acting, modeling, singing, dancing and variety. shounen club is where it all begins, its a pretty boy battle ground for survival at such a young age, gaining fans from that point before debut.

THSK will not be able to survive in the industry for decades like SMAP since in less than a decade they would have to join the army and put a stop to their activities, acting careers of members are also unlikely in the future and i doubt they would get their own show in even korea, super junior and snsd were raised to cover the variety area afterall. dbsk&#039;s successor shinee im also doubting due to lack of star power but who knows.

Its a ruthless business and shit is always gonna happen no matter who&#039;s on top. I dont think getting rid of JE is going to reflect positively on the japanese music industry. they are not all untalented, theres some good stuff there too and i guess thats why im supporting them now eventhough i initially didnt get it at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tohoshinki are a group of idols from the korean equivalent of JE, SM Ent. you should check out the dirty laundry of SM Ent too. Lee Soo Man isnt an angel send  to this earth to save us from johnnys demons. in my opinion japan has it better. JE is an enormous company so even after Johnny Kitagawa&#8217;s death, someone else will hand pick the talents. Who knows it might even get better, no more crazily named groups like heysayjump. they remind me of an orphanage.</p>
<p>if you compare and contrast, you would understand. for one thing in south korea the whole competition between pretty little boys and girls has resulted in breeding the craziest delusional fan girls and boys in the world! almost all the variety, music and award shows are dominated by these idol groups, second tier artists can barely survive in the industry and only really stand out acts from other genres can compete.</p>
<p>the korean music industry is depreciating due to severe problems with piracy and other reasons and thats why Lee Soo Man is promoting overseas like crazy, SujuM in China..Boa, THSK and The Grace in Japan and trying to hit the american market with Boa as well. </p>
<p>Tohoshinki is sold in the foreign artist section cos thats what they are, they didnt debut in Japan, they are marketed as the acapella group from korea. They were trying to be like the Gospellers not johnnys but now i think SM is trying to cash in on the new found idol fame.</p>
<p>Groups like Exile from Avex makes millions more album sales than JE Groups and thats unthinkable in korea, SM makes the most album sales eventhough they mostly produce teen idols and manufactured pop, they dont leave room for any serious competition against their top talents, bribing top tv  stations and buying awards are a common fact.</p>
<p>The Ohno scandal resulted in more sales for Arashi thats cos JE fans have learned to accept their weaknesses if it happened in Korea he would probably have been murdered by his own fans. Kimura Takuya is in his late 30&#8242;s, married with kids yet he still has hordes of fangirls. thats unthinkable in korea for an all around entertainer. its all about being young, single, pretty or plastic. they say talent come first but what if THSK looked like SMAP instead of their delicate pretty looks..no one would give a shit.</p>
<p>Eventhough THSK got number ones thats cos Avex carefully chose a date to release with no real competition but thats goin to change soon since JE shows are inviting THSK and they are goin against Kat-tun&#8217;s Rescue in march.</p>
<p>if anyone should compete with JE, it should be japanese male pop group acts. and it is a fact that the reason why JE artists and Pony Canyon artists didnt appear together on the same shows was due to the chairman making a statement that he didnt want his acts to be on the same stage as JE groups and a fued ensued.</p>
<p>Pony Canyon acts still achieved immense success without music station and THSK did perform in music station once with koda kumi in 2007, the year they started their number 1 streak. they have also been invited to music fair, music japan, music fighter, utaban, hey3. and now smap&#8217;s show and kinki kid&#8217;s domoto brothers. Some Johnny&#8217;s have not been invited to some of these shows but THSK was.</p>
<p>i dont think that JE is threatened by korean idol groups, they rule cos they produce all rounders in acting, modeling, singing, dancing and variety. shounen club is where it all begins, its a pretty boy battle ground for survival at such a young age, gaining fans from that point before debut.</p>
<p>THSK will not be able to survive in the industry for decades like SMAP since in less than a decade they would have to join the army and put a stop to their activities, acting careers of members are also unlikely in the future and i doubt they would get their own show in even korea, super junior and snsd were raised to cover the variety area afterall. dbsk&#8217;s successor shinee im also doubting due to lack of star power but who knows.</p>
<p>Its a ruthless business and shit is always gonna happen no matter who&#8217;s on top. I dont think getting rid of JE is going to reflect positively on the japanese music industry. they are not all untalented, theres some good stuff there too and i guess thats why im supporting them now eventhough i initially didnt get it at all.</p>
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		<title>By: happilyinsane13</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2008/08/14/tohoshinki-rages-against-the-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-22279</link>
		<dc:creator>happilyinsane13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 02:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I understand why Johnny&#039;s does what it does, I don&#039;t agree with it. It certainly isn&#039;t helping itself,  and I must say I&#039;m glad that there are now public broadcast journalism forces that are becoming more willing to go against Johnny&#039;s. Although I don&#039;t think that some of the scandals on Johnny&#039;s members are true, I don&#039;t believe them all to be lies either. I think Tohoshinki deserves a fair chance to promote themselves in Japan. SMAP invited Tohoshinki to SMAPxSMAP, that&#039;s definitely a start. If Johnny&#039;s groups themselves extend a willing and friendly hand to &#039;rival artists&#039;, the company might have to listen also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I understand why Johnny&#8217;s does what it does, I don&#8217;t agree with it. It certainly isn&#8217;t helping itself,  and I must say I&#8217;m glad that there are now public broadcast journalism forces that are becoming more willing to go against Johnny&#8217;s. Although I don&#8217;t think that some of the scandals on Johnny&#8217;s members are true, I don&#8217;t believe them all to be lies either. I think Tohoshinki deserves a fair chance to promote themselves in Japan. SMAP invited Tohoshinki to SMAPxSMAP, that&#8217;s definitely a start. If Johnny&#8217;s groups themselves extend a willing and friendly hand to &#8216;rival artists&#8217;, the company might have to listen also.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo____</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2008/08/14/tohoshinki-rages-against-the-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-18877</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo____</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the reason why i keep wondering why Tohoshinki did not appear on Music Station even though they got so many #1s in Oricon Chart!. Thanks for answering my question in your article. Do you mind i link your article in my blog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the reason why i keep wondering why Tohoshinki did not appear on Music Station even though they got so many #1s in Oricon Chart!. Thanks for answering my question in your article. Do you mind i link your article in my blog?</p>
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		<title>By: Drama Recaps: Maou Episode One &#171; Néojyanisme</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2008/08/14/tohoshinki-rages-against-the-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-18446</link>
		<dc:creator>Drama Recaps: Maou Episode One &#171; Néojyanisme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] when he was reported to have had a threesome in a karaoke box (which gossip i had to get from néojaponisme of all places) - seriously, the weed&#8217;s not such a shocker, but this is a man whose public [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] when he was reported to have had a threesome in a karaoke box (which gossip i had to get from néojaponisme of all places) &#8211; seriously, the weed&#8217;s not such a shocker, but this is a man whose public [...]</p>
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		<title>By: life_is_happy＠loop.com</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2008/08/14/tohoshinki-rages-against-the-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-17131</link>
		<dc:creator>life_is_happy＠loop.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ただの人間に興味ありません。この中に宇宙人、未来人、異世界人、超能力がいたら、あたしのところに来なさ い。以上。</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ただの人間に興味ありません。この中に宇宙人、未来人、異世界人、超能力がいたら、あたしのところに来なさ い。以上。</p>
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		<title>By: skchai</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2008/08/14/tohoshinki-rages-against-the-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-17047</link>
		<dc:creator>skchai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 06:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the time between Hikaru Genji and SMAP, there was . . . SMAP.  SMAP actually debuted at about the same time as Hikaru Genji and Otokogumi but was ridiculously unpopular, vying at the bottom of the Johnny&#039;s food chain with groups like Cha-Cha (painful, but I must remember them).  One of the interesting stories about Johnny&#039;s resurgence in the latter 90s was the fact that they kept SMAP under contract for nearly a decade before that, even though they were doing little to help the bottom line.  

All this sound eerily like Karel Van Wolferen&#039;s 1980s characterization of the Japanese businesses - collusive, price-insensitve relationships between businesses, combined with lifetime employment and seniority pay (at least for Johnny himself) allows for long time horizons leading to ultimate world domination!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the time between Hikaru Genji and SMAP, there was . . . SMAP.  SMAP actually debuted at about the same time as Hikaru Genji and Otokogumi but was ridiculously unpopular, vying at the bottom of the Johnny&#8217;s food chain with groups like Cha-Cha (painful, but I must remember them).  One of the interesting stories about Johnny&#8217;s resurgence in the latter 90s was the fact that they kept SMAP under contract for nearly a decade before that, even though they were doing little to help the bottom line.  </p>
<p>All this sound eerily like Karel Van Wolferen&#8217;s 1980s characterization of the Japanese businesses &#8211; collusive, price-insensitve relationships between businesses, combined with lifetime employment and seniority pay (at least for Johnny himself) allows for long time horizons leading to ultimate world domination!</p>
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		<title>By: Rie</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2008/08/14/tohoshinki-rages-against-the-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-17030</link>
		<dc:creator>Rie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Star, you sound bias.

The rumour of Music Station&#039;s preference towards Johnny&#039;s artists is widely known (and also a somewhat-accepted truth?), so Tohoshinki should just let it go and find other music shows to promote their singles/albums. 

And do they really need to appear in Music Station that much? I find Hey3x &amp; Music Fair 21 more fun (and specifically more respectable for MF21) compared to MS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Star, you sound bias.</p>
<p>The rumour of Music Station&#8217;s preference towards Johnny&#8217;s artists is widely known (and also a somewhat-accepted truth?), so Tohoshinki should just let it go and find other music shows to promote their singles/albums. </p>
<p>And do they really need to appear in Music Station that much? I find Hey3x &amp; Music Fair 21 more fun (and specifically more respectable for MF21) compared to MS.</p>
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		<title>By: Star</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2008/08/14/tohoshinki-rages-against-the-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-16977</link>
		<dc:creator>Star</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir, you are too bias for your own good. Think of it this way. Johnny&#039;s is a business conglomerate. They behave like any business will do. They have all the rights to protect their talents in their own home base which is Japan. Unlike SM, Johnny&#039;s makes enough moneY to stay in their own homeland. I respect Tohoshinki but I must say that they will never be as iconic as SMAP. I dont understand why THSK fans want them to be the #1 everywhere. Isn&#039;t it enough that they are very recognized in Korea? Also, there is no evidence of Ohno Satoshi with marijuana. Please be more professional. I admit the other pictures of him with girls but really a famous idol who is still a virgin is hard to believe. If you want, just search of pictures of THSK guys with girls. In addition, 50 years from now, it is more than likely that Johnny Jimusho will remain as iconic as they have ever been with the numerous stars they held in their belt, while Tohoshinki would more than likely not even be remembered. In fairness, they will probably be remembered in Korea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir, you are too bias for your own good. Think of it this way. Johnny&#8217;s is a business conglomerate. They behave like any business will do. They have all the rights to protect their talents in their own home base which is Japan. Unlike SM, Johnny&#8217;s makes enough moneY to stay in their own homeland. I respect Tohoshinki but I must say that they will never be as iconic as SMAP. I dont understand why THSK fans want them to be the #1 everywhere. Isn&#8217;t it enough that they are very recognized in Korea? Also, there is no evidence of Ohno Satoshi with marijuana. Please be more professional. I admit the other pictures of him with girls but really a famous idol who is still a virgin is hard to believe. If you want, just search of pictures of THSK guys with girls. In addition, 50 years from now, it is more than likely that Johnny Jimusho will remain as iconic as they have ever been with the numerous stars they held in their belt, while Tohoshinki would more than likely not even be remembered. In fairness, they will probably be remembered in Korea.</p>
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		<title>By: Durf</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2008/08/14/tohoshinki-rages-against-the-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-16946</link>
		<dc:creator>Durf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adamu: &lt;i&gt;If Johnny were microsoft he would be thrown in jail for anti-monopoly violations, and SMAP would be broken up into four solo projects for the good of consumers.&lt;/i&gt;

Good lord, man, how are you defining &quot;good&quot;?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adamu: <i>If Johnny were microsoft he would be thrown in jail for anti-monopoly violations, and SMAP would be broken up into four solo projects for the good of consumers.</i></p>
<p>Good lord, man, how are you defining &#8220;good&#8221;?!</p>
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		<title>By: Adamu</title>
		<link>http://neojaponisme.com/2008/08/14/tohoshinki-rages-against-the-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-16936</link>
		<dc:creator>Adamu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops I was talking about the lull between the 80s and mid-90s that Marxy mentioned... There&#039;s no easy, one-stop place to see this data, is there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops I was talking about the lull between the 80s and mid-90s that Marxy mentioned&#8230; There&#8217;s no easy, one-stop place to see this data, is there?</p>
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